March 8, 2021

Unseen Forces w/ special guest Rachel Chevalier

Unseen Forces w/ special guest Rachel Chevalier

Episode 31 “Unseen Forces”
Perceive those things, which cannot be seen. Understand what cannot be seen by the eye.
How do we access this information undetectable to the human eye?
How do we access information beyond the five senses? That's because we have a six tenths and everybody, every human on the planet has a sixth sense.
“Be patient with everything that remains unsolved in your heart. Try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books written in a foreign language. Do not now look for answers. It cannot now be given to you because you could not live them. It is a question of experiencing everything. At present, you need to live the question. Perhaps you will gradually, without even noticing it, find yourself experiencing the answer some distant day.
-  Rainer Maria Rilke  Letters to a Young Poet.
Rachel: “Science is huge. It's a big world, science. Everything about being human; of frequency, frequencies, you know, there are hundreds of thousands, if not, who knows, maybe unlimited numbers of frequencies and all of those frequencies are part of this creation that we belong to.”
Rachel: “Being able to share freely our different human experiences, this is how we all grow and evolve together into communities that care about each other's health.”
To reach Rachel Chevalier:

Episode 31 “Unseen Forces”

Perceive those things, which cannot be seen. Understand what cannot be seen by the eye.

How do we access this information undetectable to the human eye?

How do we access information beyond the five senses? That's because we have a six tenths and everybody, every human on the planet has a sixth sense.

“Be patient with everything that remains unsolved in your heart. Try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books written in a foreign language. Do not now look for answers. It cannot now be given to you because you could not live them. It is a question of experiencing everything. At present, you need to live the question. Perhaps you will gradually, without even noticing it, find yourself experiencing the answer some distant day.

-  Rainer Maria Rilke  Letters to a Young Poet.


Rachel: “Science is huge. It's a big world, science. Everything about being human; of frequency, frequencies, you know, there are hundreds of thousands, if not, who knows, maybe unlimited numbers of frequencies and all of those frequencies are part of this creation that we belong to.”


Rachel: “Being able to share freely our different human experiences, this is how we all grow and evolve together into communities that care about each other's health.”

To reach Rachel Chevalier:




[00:00:00] FAwn: Welcome to our friendly world, everybody. Hello friends. Hello. Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. I don't know what time it is. Cetera. Yeah. Have a beautiful every day is what we always say. So good every moment. Hello. Welcome. Once again to our friendly world today. Let me read you this number seven, we've talked about this before in the past.

I'm just going to say it. And I'm gonna tell you where it's coming from, perceive those things, which can not be seen, understand what can not be seen by the eye. , if you're all familiar, I talk about this on the very, very first episode. Called the mentor, Santa Monica was my mentor growing up. I had no idea it was , this unseen force I had no idea was there.

I was just trying my best to live, but she was a latent mentor and unseen force if you will. That was with me the entire time as I was growing up, like this powerful force that guided me. Taught me about the nature of things pulled me close to her. Even at the very last time, it was precisely at the right moment in time for me to be there.

And it was ultimately the reason and the responsible factor for you and I to come together, Matt. . We met in Santa Monica at a dojo, but like all of. The unseen events taking

[00:01:40] Rachel: place in this invisible world. Yeah. What,

[00:01:43] Matt: what guides you? What leads you from point a to point B? Even though they're not necessarily directly connected.


[00:01:48] FAwn: Exactly. But it brought it perfectly like it brought us in perfect synchronicity. It was a good moment for sure. I mean, I just think about how it actually happened. I almost missed out. I knew that. First of all the, the way I came to come to that school was outrageous. It was in my field. It was shouting at me the whole time.

And I was denying it. All my friends were martial artists. Everybody was constantly saying Fon, you should Really explore. I Quito and I resented that and I turned it down and, , I defied it for so long until Holly came along and did a maneuver on me. I'm like, what was that? It was very magical.

Talk about unseen forces. She didn't actually touch me, but I felt, something huge. And it was very much the same as if someone would. Strike me or have me in a lock, but she never touched me now. It sounds horrible, but it was done in a loving way, but she was showing me the way, like she, she had me experience it and then I'm like, okay, what was that?

And she said, that is I Quito. That's what we've been trying to tell you. Anyway, she was responsible for finding that school. That was in Santa Monica. And that's where you were. Anyway, everything came together perfectly. And not only that, the whole forest that was Santa Monica now has led us to this friendship movement.

This, the art of friendship, it all comes from stems from this unseen bubble that was taking place over 13 year period that resulted in this. And for all of us now around the world, To be here together while we're talking right here right now, right? Yeah. So Musashi the book of five rings is where the saying comes from it's there are nine ways.

I don't know what you want to call it. Matt helped me out. It's nine,

[00:03:52] Rachel: nine stuffs,

[00:03:53] Matt: nine things to focus on.

[00:03:55] FAwn: Right? So Masashi was a huge samurai. Well,

[00:03:59] Rachel: he was like a fierce

[00:04:00] Matt: warrior. Yes. He was like one of three or four that, , is still very known even outside of Japan.

[00:04:07] FAwn: So there's a book called book of five rings and the nine things are discussed.

Number seven is perceive those things which cannot be seen. Today, we're talking about all kinds of stuff we have. We're going to talk about geo ball G gee, I can't, I can't talk today. Geo biology. Bioresonance , sacred space. Vastu Shastra , I'm probably mispronouncing that because forever. I would say chakra, which actually means cucumber.

If you're talking about the different meridians throughout your body and spiritual body, there are chakras chakra, chakra, not Shakara Shakara is cucumber. Anyway. So I apologize out there. If I'm pronouncing bus to shop store today, we have a beautiful friend with us. Who is at our kitchen table right now via the outskirts of Paris, please.

Friends. Welcome, Rachel. Shabadi welcome, Rachel.

[00:05:15] Rachel: Hello, Thun. Hello, Matt. Pleased

[00:05:18] FAwn: to be here so happy. You're here. Welcome to our kitchen table. I think I'm really excited. To talk to you about the unseen forces and really the science behind it, because I know Matt's going to start rolling his eyes, even though, even though you're totally into the martial arts.

And you're the one who taught me about the unseen forces, but anyway, you and I tend to what's the word for it? Quibb w what's the word that you

[00:05:46] Rachel: fight quibble?

[00:05:49] FAwn: I wanted to say quibble, but it felt weird. Yeah. Quibble

[00:05:52] Rachel: sounds like a weird word. Like sometimes

[00:05:53] FAwn: I'm trying to spell my own name. I'm like, that looks weird.

So I was going to say quibble, but it just sounded like it was going to sound weird anyway. So Rachel, thank you for being with us. So how should we start? Because this is a big deal and it can sound scary and we've actually had the experience of what Rachel does. Rachel, please, please tell us what you do.

And then we'll go back and forth with our experience it's with what you do.

[00:06:21] Rachel: Like you mentioned geo biology, so that's a European term. And, , in English or America, most people would associate it with, space clearing, , which is also kind of a big term for a lot of people. , if people know about things way, they know that there is this, philosophy of, , earth, energies and invisible forces that.

Does play a factor in not only our physical health, but also emotional and mental and spiritual health. So, it depends on the culture and the name that people have, given to it. I think the Chinese were a lot better about marketing things each way and getting that information out into the world.

, you also mentioned vest do Shastra and. My opinion. I think Vesta do Shastra, which is the Indian science of architectural school is the mother of things she's way. But in India they prefer to keep all of this information secret. So, , the Chinese were out there kind of marketing it and the Indians were keeping it secret.

Same thing for martial arts,

[00:07:29] Matt: right? Yeah. I was about to say like, They say Buddhism comes from India. They say martial arts perhaps comes from India. Chess comes from India. I mean, what's going on?

[00:07:41] FAwn: It's sacred. Oh, it's sacred space. It's all about sacredness. Right? You want to keep things sacred. You don't want to.

It's like the word love, you know, it can get so overused. You don't want to use the word love again. You want to keep things close to your vest chest. Yes. What's the term close to your chest. Best

[00:08:00] Rachel: you

[00:08:00] FAwn: say it all the time. Where are you? Quiet. Tell me the term.

[00:08:02] Matt: I don't see now that you're putting the boat together, I don't, I don't know.


[00:08:06] FAwn: things close to your close to your

[00:08:08] Matt: chest.

[00:08:09] Rachel: Yeah. I'll say to you best

[00:08:10] FAwn: or vest. Okay. Whatever. Anyway, so I get it. I get it. You have to hold it sacred instead of just. Throwing it out there all the time and getting it all dusty.

[00:08:21] Matt: I also think that India is India. , my favorite story about India is, Alexander.

The great actually made it barely into India before he turned around and went back. India barely mentions him in the official histories. I mean, this is the dude who conquered. The quote, unquote, no one world, sorry, India. Yes. You weren't part of the known world at that point or the civilized world or whatever they call it.


[00:08:44] Rachel: being facetious. Yes, I am. Thank you.

[00:08:49] FAwn: Yeah. It's like Ethiopia. We're totally getting off track, but it's like Ethiopia and Italy, Ethiopia is very, very fierce about no one has ever been able to conquer us. You're not to take us as slaves. We're going to kick your ass. You know what, and they did and with Italy, right?

Sorry, Italy. Anyway, we're, we're getting way off track.

[00:09:12] Matt: So we were talking about unseen

[00:09:14] FAwn: forces, geo biology, the beautiful work that Rachel is doing in the world. She is actually saving people's lives and there's major science behind it. She has been trained. And what do you call it? Rachel? What is the term for what you do?

[00:09:31] Rachel: Well, I, since I'm in Europe, I will use the term geo biology. And, personally my take on it. I like the term spiritual ecology, but when you need somebody to come clear your house, you're not going to look up spiritually ecology on Google. So I use the term geo biologist.

[00:09:51] FAwn: Years ago, years ago, , I was trained in spiritual response therapy and my teacher briefly touched on this and taught us how to clear.

Now all of us , in the program were very sensitive, like highly sensitive, empathic people, very psychic, very whatever. We used our intuitive skills at all times. And the way he taught us, like we were working on something else. , we were working on a person at a remote location and we found out that this person, their wife had passed away, or I don't remember if they passed away, but they were sick that it was cancer.

And what we figured it out was that, , there was. , I was told it was the term we used back then. . Was war tax. That , there was a point in the earth that coincided with exactly where she was sleeping, that hit her and not her husband and caused her to become ill.

And that terrified me, but, , I was, we were taught immediately. This is what you do. It can be cleared. So that was a relief, but it terrified me that, Oh my God, here's another thing for us to pay attention to. Like the world is scary enough. And now this is another unseen force and it can break and kill you or, or not.

I mean, there are different kinds of forces, there are good forces and then you can combat it with how much meditation do you do or , how much prayer is done in that area there are so many ways that you can clear things. But anyway, that was the first time I heard about anything like this, and I was pretty much a kid back then, you know, kid like, you know, just gotten out of the teenage hood, Dem with them, hook them.

And years later when Matt and I bought a house, We brought in someone and they came in with these rods, , and they were like, okay, we're going to dowse. And I'm like, Oh my God, you're going to douse like w w w we're going to do witchcraft now what's happening here. And so they were telling me me about the water veins and everything.

I'm like, Oh my God, okay. What is this? Now? I asked them, I'm like, well, can I just clear this myself? Like, what if, I didn't know you guys? And. You didn't have these raw, I didn't know how to get these rods. Like, Oh my God, that it seems complicated. So anyway, they came in, they went through our house they went outside and put the stakes in the ground and I'm like, okay, this is kind of like, actually you puncture for the earth, right?

Rachel. Exactly.

[00:12:26] Rachel: Yes.

[00:12:26] FAwn: And it clears up the energy much, like when you go to the acupuncturist, which you don't like mat, you don't like the needles, it feels it doesn't jive with you. And I've always said on our show, I feel like a needle on the planet. I feel like acupuncture is performed by people.

There are certain people that are like needles and they belong in certain Meridian points on the planet. And there are places we go to all my blank. I got to get out of here. I don't, I can't be here. Or this is my spot. Here it is. You know what I mean? And everything jives. Anyway, am I getting way off topic, Rachel, please?


[00:13:02] Rachel: not. Absolutely not because, , it is a huge, huge topic. It's enormous. , and every person, perceives these, invisible forces differently depending on their culture, depending on family influences. So, , How did you, how did you

[00:13:18] FAwn: get into this? I'm sorry. I'm totally interrupting you, huh?

[00:13:24] Rachel: Well, that's a very long story. I'd like to go back to an experience when I was, , 16, , and start off with a metaphor about, , this invisible world. Scary that we don't know a lot about it. Depending on who our parents are. And I often think of the metaphor as, , this invisible world is like the ocean.

And when you're born on land, if you're don't live anywhere near an ocean, you just hear stories about the ocean, with scary creatures and you don't have any personal experience of that ocean. But if you ever have the opportunity to get to the ocean and then you get on a boat and in the boat, you're feeling kind of seasick because all of a sudden you're in this environment, that's, , got the ebb and flow, it's back and forth and it's making a seasick.

and let's say you fall out of the boat. You fall out of the boat and you can't swim. So you panic and you're like calling for help and you're flailing around in the water. and , some sea creature, suddenly appears and carries you safely to shore to the land. , so now, now you have a personal experience of what is this ocean, which is huge.

You can never ever know the entire. Ocean world, but you can have some personal experiences. And so at 16, , I was in the kitchen with my mother unpacking groceries and, , I had this experience of the ocean. When you're 16, you're thinking about, what am I going to do in college? Like, what university am I going to go to?

And. , what am I going to major in? And I was in total confusion. , had no real clear, precise idea of what I wanted to do, but feeling all this pressure about I've got to make a decision. So I had all these, , questions running around in my head. And, , I, you know, kind of, I just like asked for help.

I'm like, I don't know what to do. I can't make sense of this world. When I was 16, it was 1978. I had grown up with, , the Vietnam war every night on TV and, , horrific, , images in the magazines, like time and life magazine. And, , it was traumatizing because , my heart and my young mind couldn't really digest.

, these horrific images. So I'm 16, I'm in the kitchen , my mother's come home with the groceries and I'm helping her put away the groceries. And I see a box of celestial seasonings. T, Hey, shout out for Boulder there. Shout out

[00:16:03] FAwn: retail because we're literally blocks away from where the last jewel seasonings totally originated and we've taken the tour.

Yeah, there's a tour and everything. It's like a tight family, so, and you're from the connections are crazy. Yeah. I'm going to

[00:16:19] Rachel: think that since synchronicity that's wild, wild. And, , here I am 40 years later telling the story about when I'm 16 from parents. So I, I'm not addicted, to the T, but I was addicted to reading the quotes on the back of the box.

And so, you know, they still have

[00:16:40] FAwn: them. Yeah, it's not amazing. I love it. I love the quote. Anyway. I'm sorry, please go on. I hope I hope

[00:16:48] Rachel: this is still happening. Cause I hope other like 16 year olds are still reading the

[00:16:52] FAwn: quotes on the back of it. Actually we have boxes right here and

they totally still have the quotes. I love it.

[00:17:00] Rachel: Good, good. So I'm, I've got this box in my hand and I start. Reading the quote. I only read the first two words of the quote and suddenly my body, I could feel in my body like this weird feeling. I was getting dizzy and, , something was overtaking my body.

I didn't know what was going on, but I was having a realization that the quote was connecting me to something. , powerful and something I'd never experienced before, because the quote, as I was reading, it was answering every question that was going on in my head. And suddenly this idea of God knows every hair on my head.

Just kind of popped into my awareness as I'm reading this quote. And I'd like to share the

[00:17:46] FAwn: quote with you. Oh my God, you have it. I was going to say, Oh, what is the quote when it's safe?

[00:17:52] Rachel: So it said Be patient with everything that remains unsolved in your heart. Try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books written in a foreign language.

Do not now look for answers. It cannot now be given to you because you could not live them. It is a question of experiencing everything. At present, you need to live the question. Perhaps you will gradually, without even noticing it, find yourself experiencing the answer some distant day. And that was Rainer Maria Rilke letters to a young poet.

There you go. My

[00:18:46] Matt: God around a lot of truths because in Zen, it's about, you can ask the cone and you're like, okay, what's the sound of one hand clapping and you're supposed to meditate on , what exactly that means. And people spend years really internalizing and really understanding it. And , my favorite author, Herman has used to say that , there are certain things that have to be experienced.

There's certain knowledge that can only be experienced. It can't be taught. And so this is, and I'm sure , that's sprinkled all through everything else too as far as world philosophies go,

[00:19:19] FAwn: I mean, this is why I'm always screaming in the kitchen. I'm always either screaming in the bathroom or in the kitchen because I get messages.

From tea also it's sometimes I'll drink a cup of like a liquid that has thickness to it. And then I'll see images in the bottom of the cup

or you'll

[00:19:42] Matt: slice an onion.

[00:19:43] FAwn: Or, Oh my God, Rachel, I'll slice an onion, get messages from an onion. I have pictures of perfect hearts, like perfect, perfect heart shapes in an onion, or, you know, of course you look at the oven clock and it's four, four, four, three three three one one one. And it just I am.

Sorry. I love the tea. I love that. I'm just blown away. I love that. And you know, I've been around on the planet for some time now, but I'm still like, not shocked, but when that happens, I'm like,"WOOOOOOOOOOOO!", come on. That is just, I love it. I'm like flying right now. I feel I'm sorry. Yes,

[00:20:25] Rachel: it is. It's it's like a natural high.

When you connect, when you get that connection, it's a natural high I'm like, who needs drugs? I just like, I just

[00:20:36] FAwn: buy them when I was a kid. Everyone thought I was on drugs in high school. Yeah. Even as an adult, but like now it's more acceptable, especially like. Colorado, but I don't, I can't even drink coffee.

I feel like I'm going to poof disappear from the cafe. I can't handle the caffeine. I can't, you know? Yeah. People always assumed I was high, but it's because I'm picking up messages. I'm like, Oh,

[00:21:02] Rachel: well, let's, talk about, how we pick up this information. Okay. You mentioned the word Dows. Or the verb Dow's dowsing.

Can you please, what exactly is doubting let's define dousing is accessing information that's not available to the five senses. How do we access information beyond the five senses? That's because we have a six tenths and everybody, every human on the planet has a sixth sense.

[00:21:36] FAwn: Rachel, can I interrupt?

. For those of you who don't know what dowsing is and you know, I had to, I had to live it in person to like, see it. I'm like, Oh my God, this is like a bugs bunny cartoon. Basically. You're basically holding this fork and it's telling you where to go, right? Yes. Can you describe what it looks like exactly?

Like when you first start? Well,

[00:22:01] Rachel: originally they started with. A tree branch. So it looks like a Y , and so it's like a forked stick. , I wasn't trained with branches. So you hold the two ends, the two branches and they unite in into one branch.

And by asking a question. So in order to locate something, you have to be able to focus just on one very specific target. So usually at the beginning, it's water and you just, you're holding the stick and you're asking, , please show me water, please show me water. Please show me water. And , you walk across, the property until you get a reaction from the stick.

And then the stick, points down to the ground and you can also feel like that reaction, you can feel it in your body. The stick is kind of amplifying something that your body is picking up and it's invisible. And so this is our sixth sense, but then, we got a little bit more sophisticated and we started inventing.

What'd they call dowsing rods, which are usually made out of copper. The copper rods are just a little bit more sensitive. So people that really weren't having success, , with branches, you know, you get a material like copper and more people can get a reaction with copper. And then there's also the pendulum which can be made out of almost anything. And so now we have these tools that are just amplifying what people feel in their body. So it's actually the human body. That's the dowsing tool. Yeah. Basically we're connecting

[00:23:46] FAwn: to the resonance of the earth and. Because we're connected to, we have the same frequency as the earth does, which always comes back to our relationships with one another, that we are all connected, that there is this force that is connecting all of us. We're all feeling it. We're all, connected and it's an unseen force and you can ignore it. And you can say I'm a crazy hippie for saying we're all connected, but it's absolutely true.

There is science behind it. There's voltage right there. If I can say voltage, I don't know. It's the only thing I can think of.

[00:24:28] Matt: Well, let's not throw, let's be careful throwing around the science word, but yes, there is definitely something to it, but this is science. There is definitely

[00:24:36] FAwn: something it's not the science we grew up with, but major scientists are now saying this is for real, right,

[00:24:43] Rachel: Rachel.

Yes, absolutely. , but everything that we're talking about right now, science, science is huge. It's a big world, science, everything about being human of frequency, frequencies, you know, , there's hundreds of thousands, if not, , who knows, maybe unlimited numbers of frequencies and all of those frequencies are part of this creation that we belong to.

There's just enormous, enormous variety and doing what I do, what I had to practice over years and years and years is, , becoming aware of. Just another layer of consciousness if you want to call it, becoming aware of so many different layers of different, experiences, and you can call it frequencies so you can call it consciousness.

But for me, it's like the world of science uses one word frequencies. Originally when I got trained in dousing, I was trained with more spiritual language, like connecting with angels and , I work with angels and then later on I got into bioresonance and it's the bioresonance that taught me that, there's this world of frequencies.

So there's actually two. Different cultures, two different worlds talking about exactly the same thing, but they're just using different words. And how do you get these two different cultures to communicate with one another and accept that they're talking about the same thing, and they're just coming from two different perspectives with different vocabulary.

[00:26:21] FAwn: Also there's the radio. You turn on a box, you turn on a knob and you can hear these different channels depending on the slight turning of a knob. And you get completely different channels. I mean, that's bizarre. It's an unseen force, but it's science, right? Right. It is science.

Right. Am I crazy?

[00:26:39] Rachel: It's true. I

[00:26:42] FAwn: mean, here we are talking to Rachel she's in yeah. Paris and she's sitting on our, at our kitchen table right now. This is insane if you were a hundred years ago. Yes. Right. It's an unseen force, but it's connecting us all together. Yeah.

[00:26:57] Rachel: And that's exactly what I feel like when I'm dowsing is I'm a radio on, and that's why I can only, I can only search for one thing at a time.

and so I have a list of factors and. I have to remain very focused and only look for ask one question at a time. And then I get my answer. Then I go on to something different. It's kind of a long, can be a long


[00:27:21] Matt: And I can kind of understand dowsing for water because our bodies are 98% water. And so I understand, like can attract like, and I also understand, in magnetism, every of the polls align in the polls realigned and then unaligned and then realign and things like that. , but I have a hard time understanding, , looking perhaps for other things, is it just a matter of, you've trained yourself on water and then once you get past that you can look for other things or, or, and what kind of things do you look for?

[00:27:54] Rachel: Well, , that's a very good question because, , I didn't know any of this until I was like 40 years sold. I, , had conservative parents and grew up in a conservative, , area in New Jersey and, , all of a sudden in like I'm 40 years old and I fall into. , this dowsing world after a personal experience . It was after moving to Vermont and I moved to Vermont with my two children and my husband in, , 2001.

And a few months after the move, I realized that I was feeling unusually tired every day and I couldn't figure out why. Because I was actually sleeping longer. We lived out in the middle of the forest where there's no noise, no pollution, no lights. , well, that'll do it.

[00:28:46] Matt: No, no, no.

Seriously. We were, in a similar situation just for a weekend visiting some friends and my, my wife remarked, how it was so quiet, her ears felt like they were throbbing because they were desperately trying to hear something.

[00:28:58] Rachel: And our

[00:28:59] FAwn: friend was a speech pathologist.

So she said there are these bones in the ear and I'm like, Oh my God, they must be struggling to hear something. Because they're used to, but anyway, I don't think that's what Rachel was saying. I

[00:29:11] Matt: don't think so either. I had to interject,

[00:29:14] Rachel: sorry.

[00:29:14] FAwn: Rachel, tell us more.

[00:29:16] Rachel: So, one evening I turned to my husband it was nine o'clock at night, I feel I can barely keep my eyes open. And he remarked that he was actually feeling more tired as well. So. , here I am, you know, got this constant question going on in my head as I go about my day, every day, like, what is going on?

, why am I so tired? And then I saw a poster and on the poster, there was a picture of Stonehenge and I'm interested in sacred space. I had some knowledge of sacred geometry. So I decided to go to this presentation and the presenter is a Scottish, , MD. His name is Patrick McMahon away. At the time he was president of the British society of dowsers.

So he starts talking about , the cathedrals and sacred sites and how they are not located just randomly in the landscape. They are actually located on what we call hot spots, which are areas, with a lot of charge. This charge comes from underground water veins that are present at the site. He starts talking about research that was done in the 1930s in Germany.

A dowser had. Documented, all the water veins in the town then asked the medical doctors in the town to indicate on the map with the water veins, where people who had cancer, were living . After the doctors had finished, , putting the exes on all the homes with cancer patients , it turned out that.

95% of the cancer cases, people were living over these water veins. and that, that was actually repeated in three different towns in Germany. And it was a controlled protocol. There were people, observing all of the procedures. In the 1930s, , there was this research and some of the medical people were paying attention to it, but most people were not.

But then of course we have world war II come along and all this research goes under the rug until the 1950s, when a German doctor by the name of Hartman is working in a a big hospital and it's got several floors. And realizes that there's a specific part of the hospital, where the patients, on every floor are having complications and they don't get better.

I don't know if he had prior knowledge of the research from the thirties, or if he was somebody who was sensitive to these earth energies. But in any case, he decided that, the medical world needs to start paying attention to, , what he would later we call geo pathic stress.

So Dr. Hartman created the society of geo biology and, that's how in Europe we get the term geo biology. He started gathering together scientists so that he could document, this phenomenon of underground water veins. As it turns out during his research, he came up with many other factors, , which they would measure, , with dowsing rods, but in the hope that they eventually would get machines that could detect , these frequencies.

And in the seventies, finally, we get Geiger counters and we get spectrum meters and they went back to the town where the cancer cases had been documented in the 1930s and with the Geiger counters, they validated the dowsers location of the water veins. In the 1970s in Germany a lot more awareness is happening about this, what we called U pathic stress.

There are architecture schools that start Including, this information. It was called building biology. If we've got any architects listening in on our kitchen conversation they can look into building biology. I believe there's one in the United States and there's several in Europe.

Little by little we're getting more awareness that this is science. Yes. This is part of. Our environment. The more we pay attention to it the more we can all start experiencing better health.

[00:33:18] Matt: So somebody in the, what is it, the seventies and the thirties walks through and says, wow, this doesn't feel right then a douser comes in and says, something's going on here.

And then science finally steps in with a Geiger counter and says, something's going on here? What did they get on the Geiger counter? What was it?

[00:33:37] Rachel: It's called, gamma radiation. So I'm now I'm no expert in radiation. But from what I understand, gamma radiation is what they call ionizing radiation, which means it's tearing away ions from molecules.

So if your bed is located over a water vein that's generating this gamma radiation while you sleep at night , you're actually deteriorating. This radiation is deteriorating, , parts of your body. And so you wake up in the morning and you've you feel tired because you haven't really recuperated at night during your sleep.

This is what Patrick was mentioning during his presentation. And while I'm sitting there and he's talking about this water vein he mentions that the very first symptom of being exposed to water vein radiation is chronic fatigue. And so immediately I realized that Patrick could probably determine why I was feeling tired.

He ended up coming to our home. And as you described earlier, Fon, he did what he calls earth acupuncture. He was using dousing rods and his intuition. He was telling me that he , gets help from angels. And all of this is completely like off the charts for me, of


[00:34:56] Rachel: But a week after his intervention I get out of bed and I realize like, Oh my God, I'm, not tired.

It was like, I went to sleep and I feel recuperated. And like, I have all my energy back and my husband's experienced the same thing. So I had to call Patrick and say I've got to know more about this. And I would like to be trained as a dowser, , where can I learn? And he said, you just come with me to the clients and I will show you everything you need to know.

For about a year I went along and slowly started learning all the different factors to look for and all the different questions to ask and slowly got more clarity. One day we go to a client and Patrick says, okay, this is all yours. And I was in a total panic, but I guess I did all right, because I called the client back a week later and sure enough she was feeling better. That was back in 2002.

[00:35:56] FAwn: That is amazing. And you now can do it. You're at a level where you can do it remotely.

[00:36:03] Rachel: Yes.

[00:36:03] FAwn: And that's fantastic for us.

[00:36:05] Rachel: When you get introduced to dousing, you discover that here comes the number seven, there are seven levels to dousing that potentially you can master. The first two levels are limited, to the land, to being at somebody's home in person in their house.

And so we're talking about space and time. The third level is what they call map dousing, which is remote dousing, dousing at a distance. That's when you start entering this what I call the vertical realm, which is the ocean, it's this invisible space where Yeah, space and time.

It's like the land is still there, but suddenly that world of space and time becomes fluid. It's like, you can play around with it, like silly putty or something. And of course , it's an enormous privilege and responsibility to be in that realm. So hopefully, , people that go into that space in that realm go there with really high ethics.

So what I do, I it's very specific and when I am dousing remotely, , my whole focus and effort is I just want my client to feel better. I just want more radiant health for the clients. That's my only concern and thought as I am, navigating at a distance, into their home, into their space locating things that

aren't really beneficial for them and using angels connecting with forces beyond me that can help me remove harmful things that , I feel are in their space.

[00:37:46] FAwn: But they need a, map for that, right? So we need to. Turn in a map plan, a floor plan. Is it something that can be just drawn by the person or do you have to go to city hall and get the actual floor plan?

The lay of the land?

[00:38:00] Rachel: The person can actually draw it as long as it is. How do you say the same? How do you say dimensionally? Spatially? Correct. Got it. And also, I need to have the orientation of the property located on the floor plan

[00:38:17] FAwn: it's facing North or South. It has to be like that. Do you need any other information, like how city hall would have of like, if there's a stream or a lane?

Yeah. Do you need anything like that?

[00:38:31] Rachel: It always helps. The more information I can get the better So invest to Shastra all of these factors, what you mentioned, rivers cemeteries, , prisons, slaughterhouses things like that. These all, yes. They all factor in, but some factors are more important than others.

[00:38:51] FAwn: So if there's war or, , a history. I can imagine the East coast in the United States has a lot more history or say Europe. Oh yeah, definitely all the killings and , all the bad behavior over time in specific areas. I'm sure there's a charge there, but also, but there's a real charge.

Like you were talking about that. Is it radiation in the group caused by the water veins? How does the radiation,

[00:39:19] Rachel: what is that? I can't. We don't know. We don't know, but yeah,

[00:39:23] FAwn: it's an actual chemical reaction that happens that I guess makes the ground fertile for composting, like you were saying, right.

It's decomposed

[00:39:35] Rachel: What we learn when you get exposed to this variety of frequencies and like just huge, enormous variety of frequencies out there. That there is a spectrum of no city and they're all. Yeah,

[00:39:49] FAwn: what's no 70. What does that mean? I don't know what that means. What's no 70.

[00:39:54] Rachel: Okay. If you're a human this geo pathic stress is harmful to us.

So it it's it's noxious, no acidity is noxious. It's something that's harmful for you. But what I learned with this geographic stress that it's beneficial to pathic stress. This radiation is beneficial for certain organisms like ants and bees and even cats. Cats are like in their own category of mammals because cats are the only mammal that actually like this geo pathic stress.

And it doesn't hurt them.

[00:40:30] FAwn: Wow. That explains why they are, are attracted when you're not feeling good. They go right to the spot. You know, more about cats than I do Matt.

[00:40:38] Matt: Having lived with cats. Yes.

[00:40:40] Rachel: I suppose I would

[00:40:41] FAwn: always know when something's wrong and they go right to that spot.

[00:40:45] Matt: They have a nasty habit of doing that. They also have a nasty habit of staring some random place sometimes. And you're like in the middle of the night,

[00:40:53] FAwn: what's going on? What happened?

They did

[00:40:57] Rachel: well, cats can see ghosts. I can confirm that the cats can see ghosts.

[00:41:03] Matt: No, that's a widely held belief for

[00:41:04] Rachel: sure.

[00:41:04] FAwn: But it's interesting with a BS and the ants, why what's going on with the bees and the ants that they're, they thrive in the geo pathic stress.

[00:41:14] Rachel: This creation that we're a part of it's all about symbiotic relationships, that what's. Bad for one organism is good for another.

And this is where we get into relationships. You know, that

[00:41:27] FAwn: we all have different jobs to do. Like yes, you answer. Do they decompose things like they break things down, right.

[00:41:35] Rachel: That's

[00:41:36] Matt: a good question. No idea. What's interesting is aunts are in the hive in the same way that bees are. There's a, there's a King or a queen ant as well as a King or a queen.

I'm sorry. A queen bee.

[00:41:48] Rachel: Yeah. And there's there's right. There's like these heart hierarchies in their society, right?

[00:41:54] Matt: Yeah. It was a warrior cast, as they say, and , there's a gathering cast, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:41:59] FAwn: I'm just trying to pull it all together. This is fascinating.

[00:42:01] Rachel: So learning to Dow's at a distance that was mind blowing that was about five years ago I just have a much greater appreciation of being human That we have this capacity, this natural capacity to explore all these different realms of consciousness, like so many different frequencies.

I've got to learn to lighten up, I think, and kind of laugh at myself and laugh at this human situation that we find ourselves in. See for

[00:42:31] Matt: me, , it's, , funkshway obviously has something to it because there's a billion people who, , follow believe, want to step through it. And, and the way I've always rationalized it in my head.

Cause I'm very logical. Is it's somebody being very deliberate about. , a house maybe that's being built, or maybe that's already built that you've moved into, but you bring someone in, who's going to be very deliberately looking through your whole house and trying to judge it and gauge it on a whole and quote unquote, harmonize it.

Not necessarily on a spiritual level, if you don't want to believe in that, but a physical level. And somebody's just deliberately going through and making sure everything's tidy. It's like that junk drawer you have in your kitchen. We don't have one, but it would be one of those things that's kind of always in your head.

There's always that weight about there's 27 things in there, like, you know, spare keys and coupons and whatever. Right. And it's about taking that junk drawer and putting everything where it belongs. And so now it's no longer weighing on your mind as far as , my house is not in complete order.

[00:43:37] Rachel: But this

[00:43:37] FAwn: is a whole other animal. I mean, this is killing people. Well, this is bringing disease

[00:43:42] Matt: again, it's having so many things on your mind.

[00:43:46] FAwn: No, this is not financial abundance to you or love. This is for real something in the ground that is causing you to decompose causing disease. And so for Rachel to come in and fix that situation.

I mean, there are cases I asked, I actually asked Rachel not to talk about all the death because it scares the hell out of me. I don't like talking about death. I mean, I mean, she's literally helping children. What did you say, Rachel? What is the portion of the population that is sick?

How much of that is actually caused by Geopack stress?

[00:44:23] Rachel: . As you mentioned earlier, there is more and more science happening about this topic every day. At first, when I was trained by Patrick, , I had no way to document my successes except, , that people gave their testimonials, but the scientific world, the medical world, , wasn't interested in that.

So again I start asking the universe for help. Like, how can I document this? How can I document this? And the universe answered in a very unexpected way. In 2006, I signed up to a Carolyn mace workshop. She was writing a new book called entering the castle and it was this spiritual topic.

I wasn't expecting to, , find out anything bad to your pathic stress there. But I saw this one woman with the machine and I said to myself, like, what the heck is a machine doing here?

The spiritual based conference. So I go over to the woman and ask her about the machine and she tells me, it's electro acupuncture. Instead of using needles, it uses radio frequencies and light frequencies on acupuncture points to help bring balance to the meridians . I was familiar with acupuncture so I was intrigued. She started talking about the different scans and different information that the machine can pick up. And she handed me this list of the different factors that the machine can scan and some parasites and viruses and bacteria toxic chemicals heavy metals, et cetera.

And on the list was geo pathic stress. And I thought I was going to fall all over because I realized. Oh my God. Like somebody else knows about geo pathic stress and they actually invented a machine that detects, if a person is getting saturated by this gamma radiation. So, I mean, I was immediately sold on, on this machine and I'm right, because I realized I could do research and I could get people who were sick and not getting better. They could come to me and I would scan them with the bioresonance. She introduced it as electroacupuncture, but nowadays we tend to call this technology, bio resonance because the frequencies that it uses communicate with your body at a cellular level.

So it comes in resonance. There's a resonance between the frequency and the machine. And the frequency in the person's body. So if somebody comes to me and they're sleeping at night over a water vein they will have a reaction to the frequency that is related to geo pathic stress. I started scanning people.

I called up my friends, my neighbors. I said, you know, anybody who's. Sick, just send them my way, because I want to know how many people are really being affected by this geographic stress. And I want to document it. I also realized that I could scan the person, beforehand, then do my geobiology intervention and then have the person come back, maybe a month later, two months later.

And then the reaction to the geographic stress, , should be reduced. And that's exactly what I've been doing for 13 years. I've documented well I have 114 scans and thanks to the Corona virus, thanks to COVID and the confinement. I actually had time to go back and visit all those scans.

That I did over 13 years and I made a tally. I did half the scans in Vermont half the scans around Paris here in France. In both groups, what I found was 30% of those 114 scans, , people who were sick or tired, 30%. Had some reaction to geographic stress.

If you think about 30% of people in a hospital going home to a harmful , noxious environment and they're not going to be able to get, well, if they're sleeping every night in a harmful environment they're not going to get better.

So even

[00:48:33] FAwn: if they had surgery on whatever problem they had, they took that chunk out and they'd go back to the same area, then something else will pop up on their body.

[00:48:44] Rachel: Correct.

[00:48:45] FAwn: This is scary. So this is where I need you to tell me Rachel, everything's going to be okay. That we can fix it

[00:48:51] Rachel: Yes, most of the time there is something to fix.

As long as you can locate the zone where the radiation or harmful stuff is coming from , sometimes it's just moving the bed or the earth acupuncture that we talked about earlier. That's taking iron steaks and driving them into the ground above the water vein. you locate the water vein with dowsing rods. If The person's living somewhere where there is , earth around their house, then you can drive the iron stakes into the ground where the water vein is located and on, on both sides of the house. So we don't really know why this works, but it does. Dowsers have been doing this for decades now.

So I'm assuming that there's some kinds of magnetic attraction that the iron is holding the toxicity and keeping it away from the house. Maybe it's

[00:49:44] FAwn: like those things that they stick on top of buildings to a trans lightning bolts

[00:49:50] Matt: was just thinking about how you can condition your soil with a pH level myself.

But yeah, that certainly, that certainly fits see for me. I remember, do you remember the climate change deniers? Even though it's getting more and more difficult now, but back early on, people were like, Oh, humans, aren't doing anything to affect the climate on the earth. Right. And I talked to a guy who was, who was talking like that.

And I was like, okay, let's pretend let's play. Let's pretend for a minute. Let's pretend climate change doesn't exist just for a second. It still makes sense for us to use the minimal amount. It still makes sense for us to recycle, just to be good people just to, , not waste and just to, , keep our, keep your house clean, keep our house clean.

Exactly. And he couldn't argue with that. So I'm like, you know what? Just, just, just recycle and just, you know, try and be good about composting and all the rest of it, because , it's not gonna

[00:50:45] Rachel: hurt anything

[00:50:47] FAwn: and the water they are going to be

[00:50:49] Matt: drinking. And there you go. I would say that, , this is obviously a lot for me to take in

, but if you're feeling, I guess if you're feeling unsettled , in your home, there are probably a reason for that. And maybe it's in your mind and maybe it's in the ground and much like cleaning out your junk drawer as it were. It's about, , putting your mind at rest. And this sounds like one way of making that happen.

And even if it's only a placebo effect, it's a very, very, very valid thing.

[00:51:20] FAwn: I think it's for real. And my question is what, if you live in a high rise, does the, does, can you get away from that point by going up like people in New York city, you can't, it still affects you.

[00:51:33] Rachel: Okay. Yes. And in the high rise building there's many, many other factors that are going to play into , the building material, what kind of building material?

Isn't it high rise. Well, yeah,

[00:51:45] Matt: you would be surrounded by tons of maybe concrete. Exactly. You are surrounded by metal and tons of rebar.

[00:51:53] Rachel: Yes. So we talked about all the bad stuff out there, but there's also what we call compensating energies. That are present more or less at a different site.

So this is where you get into the spectrum of nosivity. I've been to some homes where there's actually a lot of water veins, I was surprised because I wasn't really picking up the charge, I wasn't picking up any harmful or unpleasant feeling. That's because there was also a lot of compensating energies.

So what are compensating energies? Well, one of them I call positive energy wells, and these are like chimneys. They were like they're circles or what should I say? Like pillars, pillars of energy beneficial energy that support human beings. And if you spend a lot of time in a positive energy, well, you feel kind of I don't, I've never smelled marijuana, but I guess if you, it just like this pleasant easy uplifting feeling that kind of overcomes you and like you have no worries.

Some homes, some properties have quite a lot of these positive energy Wells. And another question that I ask is if that ground is considered sacred space. There were ancient communities and these ancient communities practiced rituals on their sacred space. And if you happen to have a home that's located on ancient, sacred space, then you have compensating energy there.

It's going to be like an antidote to whatever harmful energies that might also be present there. This whole relationship with our home and with the land there's many, many factors, , it can get very complex, but there are solutions and one of the solutions is prayer and meditation or chigong.

If the person living in the home is connecting to the spiritual realm in a healthy, ethical, connected way, that's going to radiate out into their environment, into the walls. This is why personally, I have a daily routine of prayer and meditation so that I can keep my own personal what I call biofield, , I don't use the word body anymore because since I started using this bioresonance technology and dousing I just have so much more awareness that I am more than my physical body, that there's a part of me that radiates out into my environment. And you can call that the vertical part of me, you can call that the magnetic part of me, but it goes way beyond the skin. And there are lots of machines and there's lots of science now what they call biofield science. We now have biophysics.

There's books, there's conferences. And it's a really exciting time because it's like this marriage of science and spirituality. It's like science and spirituality has been divorced, you know, for centuries. And now we're experiencing a scientist biologist, physicist coming together and sharing this invisible world and agreeing , that certain scientific terms and certain spiritual vocabulary is actually talking about the same experience.

[00:55:15] FAwn: So we're coming back together again. I mean, this was a long time ago. Who was, it was a Galileo, you guys who was it that said, you know what, this is what's up.

And then the church came in and said, Oh, you better not speak on our behalf. And they said, basically, we'll kill you if you keep talking like this. So that, that's where the diversion came from. When the church came in and said, Don't talk about

[00:55:41] Rachel: it. The split,

[00:55:42] FAwn: it was a split it, thank you.

The split happened because the church wanted their own thing and they didn't want the science to be coming into it. Was it Galileo? Who was it? You guys, they almost crucified. They said, who was it?

[00:55:57] Matt: Church. Isn't going to crucify anybody. But I can't imagine. I mean,

[00:56:00] FAwn: I kill him, kill him and all his family, it was a

[00:56:03] Matt: Galileo Galileo had to definitely went through some stuff.


[00:56:06] FAwn: was one of those guys who basically saw this. You know, the science and the spirituality. That was that it was one and the church came in. Oh, I have it written down

[00:56:17] Matt: somewhere. Yeah. To me, it's so fascinating because I feel like, Oh goodness. And Cindy Arie statement ahead, but philosophy leads us to religion and it leads us to math.

[00:56:27] FAwn: So the religion was like nuts to this. This is our

[00:56:30] Matt: domain. Right? Right. And science was fine with that because science was concerned with observation and, and you couldn't, you know, and, and, you know, as we gradually slowly learned that there are things out there that , we can't perceive that do

[00:56:44] Rachel: exist.

They were

[00:56:45] FAwn: not buying what, that they were forced to be that way. They were forced to split the mind into a logical. And the theorial like they, nevermind. I have to go back. I have, I took notes on this a few years ago, so I don't remember who it was, but it was some prominent in and in

[00:57:07] Rachel: our history was, I would say it was Galileo.

Was it, there was also a Copernicus Copernicus I believe was before Galileo and Copernicus. Did not publish his math, his observations until he was on his death bed because he knew it was going to upset people. So Galileo was a little bit more courageous and he didn't wait until he was on his death bed.

And then he suffered the consequences of, yeah. Speaking his truth.

[00:57:38] FAwn: Right. Right. So now it's finally coming back together. There was a reunion. I mean, , it's still a hardship because I've been to so many lecturers and the scientists I've been listening to, they're saying, , they have their fellow colleagues walk out of the room when they get into subjects like this.

[00:57:57] Rachel: And I'll tell you why. Well, there's obviously many different factors, but from my own personal experience, I. Also had a lot of resistance to let's say my spiritual coming out and like, I didn't, I was dousing for many, many years and not sharing it with anybody because I'm sure that I have some kind of ancestral trauma that's related to being, thrown in prison or burned or something horrible happened to somebody and throw I was loony bin. Yeah. I was carrying around that trauma and this, you know, and people do, they, they have this unconscious trauma and they don't want to go to certain topics of discussion because it's just too painful.

Because the intensity of that emotion and that memory is overwhelming until you have the opportunity with somebody who is skilled and you have a safe environment where you can explore that unconscious feeling and attach , perhaps an image or a memory or flash, you'll get some insight and then you can say, Oh yeah. Maybe , that memory was preventing me from exploring something and little by little, you release that trauma and you can start talking about something that previously, , created a lot of emotion intention in you and with time with patients and with therapy and the right, it's always about the right environment, the right factors coming together.

Little by little, you accept that unconscious part of you. You confront your inner demons , and they become your allies. , it's a journey. It's not for everybody, but, and you know,

[00:59:45] FAwn: even what you did come to that state though, then you come across judgment, right? You have to be careful of edit what you're saying, because you may be at work or you may be around people that are definitely very logical.

And I'm looking at you, Matt. Yeah. There's judgment. You have to maneuver around and speak a certain way around certain people unfortunately, because even if you're a totally firm and what you've come to understand, and there are so many scientists now that are actually proving so many things that seem implausible that.

You're like, okay, here's the proof. These scientists are now recording things so they can prove to you a, B, C, but just to still come across the judgment. So you have to unfortunately, still be careful and become the Galileo, like watch where you say stuff. It's still a little bit like that a lot, actually.

[01:00:44] Matt: Yeah, no, no, no, no, absolutely. God being a vegan. Talk about that on day one. Cause that just,

[01:00:52] FAwn: yeah, we get judged all the time. They think we're going to be,

[01:00:55] Matt: that comes along with being a vegan because you know, the joke is, is how do you know if someone's a vegan? Don't worry. They'll tell ya.

[01:01:04] FAwn: And we're not, I mean, we're not, there are definitely militant vegans out there.

Like we had a friend in Santa Monica, his name was, is jingles. And he wore military garb, like he was from Cuba. And he had buttons all over him and, you know, meat is murder and he had like a McDonald's pen with a cross again or around it, like saying no to McDonald's, but it said MC shit. He was so militant and scary looking that people assume you're an angry vegan, like you're immediately going to jump down their throat and say, what are you doing?

We're just quiet vegans, you know, they're

[01:01:47] Matt: just living our lives. Thank you very much,

[01:01:49] FAwn: but yeah, that's another judgment, but anyway, we're, we're getting off track again.

So, so what I like about what you're doing, Rachel, I mean, , you are totally helping people. You're helping children, especially your whole mission is to help children who are experiencing the geo pathic stress. You're going in there, you're removing these obstacles from where they live and you would think it would cost a lot of money, but you're doing it in a way that people can actually afford because you really want to help people talk about altruistic.

[01:02:25] Rachel: Thank you. Yes because I feel that this information should be widely shared because what I do every day, I know that okay. Being able to share freely our different human experiences this is how we all grow and evolve together into communities that care about each other's health. I know it's a slow process but we have this amazing technology where people all over the planet different parts of the world.

We can now communicate with each other and share more easily this information. So yes, I have a website and people can come to my website. I also have a Facebook page. And you're doing workshops coming up, right? Yes. I'm going to be giving a workshop on March 20th, a zoom zoom workshop. So am I allowed to say what my website,

[01:03:22] FAwn: no.

We want you to give all the information, please tell us everything. And for those of you listening, which is everybody you're listening, obviously I will also have everything in the show notes. All the links and everything, but please Rachel, tell us how everyone can reach you please.

[01:03:39] Rachel: So my website is my name


[01:03:48] FAwn: C H E N E. Wait, how do you spell Chabad

[01:03:52] Matt: for us Americans?

[01:03:57] Rachel: C H E V as in Victor, a L I E And the Facebook page is settle, energy resource, settle, settle. S U B as in boy, T L E settle resource.

So I don't go on Facebook very often, maybe once a week. But recently I had an experience with my website that my contact page wasn't working properly. I wasn't getting the emails. So if you don't hear from me then go to Facebook and I, I will eventually get your message, but yes, on March 20th I will be giving a zoom event and the topic is biofield basics for parents to give a brief introduction especially letting them know what resources are available out there about this biofield because.

The science is changing so quickly. It's been 13 years that I've had the bioresonance technology and it's just exploded, absolutely exploded in 13 years. So your children are going, this is going to be a big, big part of their reality is this biofield science and biophysics. So. I'm here to help out the parents wrap their heads around this invisible world and unseen forces.

Nothing to be worried about. It's something to be educated about, that's it? You know, it's just education

[01:05:35] FAwn: so easily transformed and I'm so grateful for the work that you're doing and how you are making it so accessible to everybody and now around the world, I'm so glad that you're doing this remotely.

Your work is so beautiful , Matt and I have actually actually experienced it firsthand as far as the Dow saying, and the geographic stress and someone coming in and fixing that I'm so grateful that we became friends this year. And I was so blown away that you were so open to a stranger like me coming along and saying, Hey, and I'm just grateful.

Thank you for being here. Rachel, also what was I going to say? There's so much to talk about because I know that. There's there's so many factors at play. There's so many things that I want to explore further with you, Rachel. So if you could please come back on our show and continue the conversation.

We can talk about other forces like psychic pollution. What is that? We can talk about that at a later point. Will you come back and talk to us again?

[01:06:46] Rachel:

I would love to come back. Yes. Sweet.

[01:06:49] FAwn: It's so hard. I know. This episode has been an extra long one, but it's so hard to say goodbye. It's much like, like we were talking about this before in my culture. When you come into someone's home, you kiss and greet every single person and the dogs and everything.

And then you sit down and , you party, whatever. And then hours later when you leave, , you say goodbye to every single person. You're all standing at the door and it's another hour, an hour and a half. You're all standing by the door before you actually say goodbye. So it's, it's really hard and awkward for me.

Like I have some friends that will just cut off a conversation and say, okay, bye. Like, it's so hard to speak a by right now. So I don't know if it's just my culture,

[01:07:41] Rachel: but, well, I, I actually experienced that in Vermont as well. Vermont is a very slow paced environment and.

There's a difference between the Vermonters that have been there for 10 generations and the newcomers. If you're an old Vermonter, you, yeah. You see somebody that, you know, on the street and you stop and chat for an hour, you know, it might be an hour before you like, okay, I gotta mosey on down now. And I just love that.

I love that about being in Vermont. Because I like deep, deep conversations. Yeah.

[01:08:20] FAwn: I'd love that. I missed that. I missed that so much. I can't wait until we can be together again and have the long drawn out hugs and hellos and see you later. So Rachel, thank you again. I will have all the links. Thank you.

You're so gracious for thank you, Matt being so generous with your time. Why are you quiet, man? I'm

[01:08:46] Matt: nodding. Cause I'm an idiot. Cause I don't, I forget that this is all going to be on audio.

[01:08:54] FAwn: So any parting words guys, before we sign off? Nope, not a one pay attention to the unseen forces; things you can't see with your eyes, yes. It's just because

[01:09:07] Rachel: don't be afraid of the ocean.

[01:09:10] FAwn: Yeah. Oh, and the tea bust out of the tea again. Thank you so much. We will speak with you soon and.

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